Related%20passage for Menachot 107:5

לימא בהא קא מיפלגי דמר סבר כמות שהן משערינן ומר סבר לכמות שהיו משערינן

- You may even say that this agrees with the Rabbis too, for although it is not the finest leaven it is, however, an inferior leaven.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' It is spoilt or hard leaven, and although it is not the best thing to use for leavening the meal-offering, it certainly has a leavening effect upon the substance into which it has been put.');">⁴</span> R'Ela said, From no meal-offering is it more difficult to take out the handful than from the sinner's meal-offering.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Since it was without oil, the taking of the handful was a difficult operation indeed, for when taking out the handful of dry flour and then smoothing away the flour that is bursting between the fingers, much skill would be required in preventing the flour from slipping out of the hand.');">⁵</span>

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